If you read the other comments, you’ll see that this is quite common. Are you saying they should be kept separate even when there aren’t any kids and when the does aren’t milking? If you mean that the dominant doe won’t let the other one near the hay feeder, that makes total sense, but don’t worry about it because once the dominant one has her fill, she’ll go lay down to chew her cud, and then the other one can eat. I have just introduced a 4 mo th old Boer to a year and a half old Boer which ive had for 7 months. The horns won’t break off from head butting. (not the other, from some reason) The only concern is that he won’t go in the shed, being afraid of the new dominant male. They were apart about 2 months. That is not normal behavior for a goat. Dingo attacks are somewhat common in Australia, particularly on young children. There was a clear pecking order in our heard, but now the lowest one is really bullying the one that was the original leader. I plan to start locking the pregnant pair up together at night to hopefully prevent some of the abuse they have been suffering from the big female. Some breeds are more aggressive bottom line. This is why most people who want to breed will start with two does and two bucks or a buck and a wether. So I let them spend time together daily? If they are all disbudded, the chances of the hurting each other are pretty slim. We picked up two 3 month old Nigerian wethers to keep him company. I do hope he is castrated (wethered) so that he doesn’t get her pregnant. Sorry if I am asking you the same question that you have answered. And since goats are herd animals, you need another doe and another buck or wether so they are not alone. Now I want him to have a friend! Goats are herd animals and need a friend. It’s a not a good idea to have horned goats with goats that have no horns because the horned ones have an unfair advantage. He died last week from kidney stones. Also trying to mount. And even then, it’s very unusual for one to get hurt. Just like humans, sheep like to maintain a distance, or safe zone, between themselves and others. She’s 10 years old, and has never been breed. I have two does they are a year old, they came from a set of triplets. Here’s my free course on breeding goats: That sounds very scary. You should never have horned goats with goats that do not have horns as the horned goats know they have the advantage and can get really mean. Goats do not need heat during the winter as long as they are dry. I just don’t want his horns to break off. Since then, the two does pick on him a lot and there’s not much he can do about it with 3 legs. He always rams him when he tries to eat anything or if he is getting attention he gets rammed. A lot of goats wind up getting dehydrated if they are too weak to walk to the water bucket. He lost his companion 4 months ago so yesterday we introduced a 11 week old buck pygmy with horns. However, neither of those goats had horns. Is this normal? Having horns definitely makes them more dangerous. One raised by my sister, the other raised in the barn . You didn’t mention how they responded when you introduced them. Recently my wether is being overly aggressive ramming in her side, and trying to “mate” for lack of a better term with her, he’s biting her fur too. We have three weathered males and one doe. Kids don’t need more than a handful of grain, which you can feed them personally. One of the seasonal breeders is angora goats and they are also the most docile. I wouldn’t say anything is impossible, but in every case when someone had a problem like this with an adult goat, they had been playing with the goat inappropriately as a kid because they thought it was cute. Any advice? My male and one of my females take turns head butting it. There was an error submitting your subscription. I have a three day old kid that was rejected by its mama and I am now bottle-feeding. If you separate them, they will just start over again when you put them back together, so that will just make for lots more head butting overall. So we are thinking of getting rid of him and getting another goat with no horns to see if that helps the other goat we own that’s being bullied. But the girls need to be able to smell their kids so not for the girls. It’s highly unlikely that he will hurt her unless they have horns. I don’t know if it will always be the same with one controlling the other as the dominant male or if they could just get along. I should say that the smaller goat is also very friendly and will sit in my lap for cuddles so he is not all bad! We checked her eyes because she couldn’t see. Flight distance is defined as the space between themselves and others the sheep will tolerate before moving. They won’t turn into full horns. (It’s hard to spend a career studying the animals without suffering a nasty gash or two.) The 2 goats I’m most concerned about are males and shouldn’t even be eating grain, plus I feel like even if I got 2 feeders they would still eat all the babies grain. If a doe gets pregnant when she is too small, you could wind up with a c-section. I just don’t know what to do. or is there a chance they will injure each other badly? One of the males has been caught ramming into the side of the females. #1. On flat ground, they usually won’t let people get within 500 yards. If you doe had tissue hanging out, it sounds the buck tore something with his horns. Any reason why? This morning we watched a male goat kill an elderly goat by budding her knocking her down breaking her legs and continuing to ram her over and over and over again is this normal go behavior? I have a rescue doe that came to me pregnant, I had her with a wether we got at the same time but it’s just them two and my mini horse here. Every goat has to have a place in the pecking order, which does not necessarily translate to their relationships with people. HELP. Any ideas? She is still the same size today so I don’t think she was birthing and since I took him away she stopped bleeding after about 2 or 3 days . It’s true that if you separate them, the head butting will just start all over again when you put them back together. One of my males however won’t leave one of my females alone. I meant abominable. They came to me when they were 2 months old. How Patients Die After Contracting COVID-19, The New Coronavirus Disease : Goats and Soda Most cases of the illness are characterized as mild, with … Basically you are completely overwhelming the goat’s sense of smell so that they can’t smell anything else. It wasn’t too bad. While there have been reports of roaming urban goats, most attacks by loose goats take place in less populated areas. They are all dwarfs but the dominant one is definitely bigger than our other male. You don’t want your doe getting pregnant more than once per year, and you definitely don’t want young does getting bred before they are big enough to give birth safely. She picks at the mini-pony, and even my 2 huge dogs. I have a 4 month old doe and I’ve had her since she was about 3 weeks old. They can mate before she is big enough to be able to give birth safely. Can I continue to leave them together or wait longer? However, it is a bad idea to have horned and not horned goats together. The other doe is not pregnant. I have heard of horned rams fighting until one died, but not goats. thanks! Idk what the blood might have been about, but I don’t really think it’s fair to assume the buck’s horns were the cause, or that he should go to the freezer. Should I resperare them or just let them work it out? I have a doe that has a one year old castrated male. I have a 5 month old baby doe STILL living in the house & I plan to put her in our barn next week. Do you think we should introduce a 3rd goat or just keep these 2 separated for a few more months. They only keep fighting as long as both are holding out hope that they can be the top goat. Should i leave the new one in the stable with them from day one? It is normal for moms to be protective of their babies. The blood samples won’t uncover brain diseases that could have altered behavior. We just added another weather of similar size , about 9 months old. Unbeknownst to us, one of them was pregnant. I would not have a boer with a one-month-old Nigerian kid. Can Maybe update you for learning purposes. I have a new mom that is aggressive to another pregnant goat. Will they be able to live together again? He is such a sweet boy and I do not want that ruined. https://thriftyhomesteader.teachable.com/p/goat-breeding. Mother and daughter. Me and my girlfriend went for a walk and came across a field of goats, she had just spent the past 20 minutes trying to convince me they can kill people and will attack us if we went in the field. Should we have another coop so the other goats have a place over cover? Sounds like her hormones are out of whack. He is 2 years old this month, I’m worried about adding goats. Prior to giving birth there wasn’t any aggression. You don’t want to take them away from mom before they are two months if they are dam raised. Thank you! I’ve never heard of wethers actually hurting each other, but I never say anything is impossible. She wants all of your love and attention. When a doe is in heat, she can have a discharge that is clear or white. Usually they don’t butt heads for more than half an hour, maybe an hour or two. The does have been coming into heat. You could let them share a fenceline for a couple of days, or you could just put them together and see how they do. I wouldn’t be concerned. Any advice would be great!!! Ideally the buck will have his own male friend — either another buck or a wether (castrated male) — because bucks and does should not be kept together all the time. I’ve also noticed where he was disbudded it’s growing back, just on the one side! By then the kids are really on their feet and can handle it if another doe butts them. She also still looks pregnant because she eats constantly and chases the others away from food even though we have multiple hay sources and pans for the grain feed. Remember he is capable of running away. THe males can be made less pushy by putting vicks under their nose. I have 2 does that will be turning 2 this October. Don’t get a boer (a huge meat breed). If it’s 2 months old, then it’ll probably be okay, assuming the older doe doesn’t have horns. By the time they go inside, they should be mellowed out. She was totally fine with them, and her kids taught them to be goats. You would want to get one that was equally matched — same size, same horn status, and roughly same age. Thank you!!! Not fighting back is actually the best response. Whereas the goat’s natural desire to explore offers cross-species sociability. It’s starting to get cold so I took him in there myself and they still ran him out. Recently the mother has been picking at all the other critters on the farm including the other goats. I separated her when she kidded and for a while after. Will this get better when the second gives birth? Thank you for your quick response ! You don’t want them locked up in a barn all day long, every day because they need fresh air. Each year, over 6000 people are traumatized by goats in the United States alone. If they normally get along fine, it should be okay for him to be with her. Hopefully they all either have horns — or not. Horned goats can be really mean to those without horns because they have an unfair advantage. stomping at her and making weird noises. Goats are the main source of protein in the region. Their behavior is becoming more aggressive which I assume means more mature. Actually got them to keep poison ivy down. Now the 2 does will not stop fighting when we put them together. Mountain goats can whip their heads around faster than other ungulates like caribou and elk, and their horns are razor-sharp. Every now and again, a goat might wind up with a little blood on the top of its head, especially if it has scurs, but long-term injury is extremely rare. No horns on anyone. It’s weird that the new boys and the ones being bossy — unless they have some sort of advantage, such as being bigger or having horns. It’s just what they do, but that shouldn’t last for long. And sometimes the goats that are the most outgoing towards humans are the roughest with other goats. We previously had a sheep that we also gave bottle too and he became so aggresive when he got bog that we couldnt go near him. What should we do? We acquired 4 pregnant Boer does the end of December. We have been giving the other doe limited time with mum and kid outside and she is still butting at this stage. If she just butts him, she may knock him down outside, but that’s not a big deal. You can identify a dog attack because dogs usually go for a goat’s hind legs and rear end. Your last resort in hand-to-hoof combat is to grab the goat by its horns. How strong is the abdomen of a pregnant goat about a week or two away from delivering? He needs to be separated. Momma goat truss to horn him under his chin. And you'll never see this message again. Most does will accept the kids again within a few hours after the smell of the disbudding has worn off and they can once again smell the kid as their kid. their shared camp is nice and big, but their heads start bleeding from all the head budding. When does are in heat, they will act completely different. The owners ended up finding homes for the other babies but not the other mom, our goats sister. Tajin with young goat meat and Argan Oil … Thank you! I’ve been checking on her and she seems to be ok. She has a very heavy coat and takes shelter under one of their stands. They grew up together at the farm we bought them from, but when they got to our place they seem to be playing, but the one who always starts it seems to get too rough to the point where he is bleeding around the bottom of his horns. This is normal goat behavior, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Recently one of the purebreds disbudded horn started to bleed but was still intact. Older goats in your flock need extra attention, affection and space. So two of my goats got into some rat poison, the kind that makes the blood thin. Keep in mind that it’s normal for them to butt heads a little when they are first put together. So we still have one to go sometime in March. It’s best to keep them outside so the kid can run away. I have heard of rams fighting until one died, but I have not heard of goats doing that. I have 3 pygmy goats. I am worried about his well being. If they are wethers (no testicles), then they can be together. We adopted 5 pygmy goats and one dwarf. Plenty of space. Is there anyway to stop it besides separating? And also, could he have gotten Ginger pregnant also even though he couldn’t reach her? I will keep them separate for a couple weeks at least. They said it was highly unlikely and even if he did, the sperm wouldn’t be viable due to body temp heat killing them off, but they did offer to pay for an ultrasound if the behavior gets worse. The horned one has the advantage and she knows it. I was told we shouldn’t separate them because then the head butting will start all over again. thanks. Is there a way to get them used to each other again?? Thanks so much for the response. My weathered has been overly aggressive lately butting all my goats. We had several 2 year old pygmy wethers and lost one recently. He did get out and into the Does pen for just one night and the same happened again . Unfortunately they all have theirs horns and have been raised together as far as we know. One of my new females is about 3 weeks old. Mountain goats don't have the same "flight" response to humans as many other animals. Thank you for your comments I have now separated the Buck from the Does . The one with horns controls everything the other male does. They all seem to be ganging up on her. They butt heads and slam their heads into other goats’ sides. If that happens, they will bleed, but they’re usually fine. However since you only have two does, you can expect some head butting between them when you put them back together. No fights, but the new male simply picks on the one male. The only “solution” I’ve ever heard of is a hysterectomy, which is difficult and expensive in goats, which is why you almost never heard of it. Ultimately you have to play it by ear because every goat’s personality is different. They don’t all do it, but it happens. She should be with other kids her age. You should not keep a buck with your does because of this type of situation. Other than for breeding, males and females should be kept separate anyway, so hopefully when you remove the boys, they will get along fine together again. I have 2 kids about 4 months old, they were separated from my other 3 goats but the other 3 broke through the barrier between the 2 enclosures, which is ok, they all get a long except the babies are supposed to have access to grain (as much as they want) but I can’t keep it in there anymore because the other goats at it all and head butt the babies if they try to go near the feeding dish! All contents © 2020 The Slate Group LLC. They didn’t eat much but I’m very scared and can’t seem to find much online. He makes all the breeding actions and then maybe beats her up ? A buck should NOT be with a four-month-old doe, or she could wind up pregnant, which could lead to a c-section or death. If that just happens for a couple of days every three weeks, it could just be that she is in heat. The first mom charged (head down and used her horns) the second moms baby from across the pen from 20′ away. The smaller Nigerian actively tries to avoid the Pygmy and seems scared of him. I have two young wethers about 2months and four months old. Hi, I have a boer doe that keeps head butting and pinning a 1 month old Nigerian Dwarf buck against the fence. Because my black one chased him around. Sounds like the goat is a female, so you won’t have to worry about her hormones making her aggressive. Or it could have had identity issues: After attacking the hiker on Saturday, the goat stood over his body for nearly an hour. In most cases goats will butt heads for a few minutes when first introduced, and once in a while they’ll hit each other with their heads if they want hay or grain that the other one is eating. The one used to be the dominant male is now an outcast, by the new male, and He will not let him inside the shed to sleep. Trauma can cause goats to go into labor, and I know I had a doe go into labor at day 135 because she was being beaten up all the time. We had all of our goats together for years before we built kidding pens, which were mostly for human convenience. This is normal goat behavior. We picked the two babies up a week apart from one another but they were from the same farm originally. Rams are much more aggressive than goats, and almost all of our have wound up as meat because they could not be trusted with humans in the pasture. If the girls are out of sight, they shouldn’t butt heads too much beyond the first day or two. If she is disoriented, it could be challenging for her to get milk right now. Many people are choosing to raise goats as part of a sustainable lifestyle. They relax with time. If I am understanding correctly, that is a recipe for disaster. It can get especially scary if the underdog is pregnant. How long do you do this for? I’m sorry you had to see it. The harsh mountainous nature of southern Morocco makes it hard to herd other livestock. The ram has also tried to ram me and my kids ( not as bad as the goat). We have no way to separate them outside! We go out and hang out with them quite a bit and always give the most attention to the Pygmy. If the new wether has horns, and the others do not, then that’s a problem, and you may need to consider housing him separately along with a horned friend who would be on a more equal playing ground. People subscribing to the second theory of animal handling, that of working more with the animal to get it to do as you wish, usually will have less physical contact with the animal and have learned to not rush the animals and to take advantage of the instincts of the animal to get it to do as he/she wants. I have two full-grown goats and they are all very familiar with each other because we take walks in the evenings. Do they grow stronger as they get older or repair themselves? Someone has to be the top goat, and they are working that out. They need to be kept separate from the beginning or the bucks will get the does pregnant MUCH earlier than they should be bred. So my family and I just let mothers and babies out into the pasture after 3 months being in stalls. The Oberhasli was boss when he was alive because he was the biggest, which kept the other three in line. It is a rare but serious disease caused by the germ Listeria monocytogenes that usually transmitted by eating or drinking foods contaminated with the germ.While goats milk is undoubtly healthy, unpasteurized milk and other product made from it, also cold cuts are the foods most likely to transmit listeriosis. I hope you were able to enjoy the visit I’ve been enjoying the article and the comments but I’m not really a fan of all this apparent hate on horns, as I have a mostly horned herd and personally love the horns. The problem is the horns, not the gender. Before he got sick they would head butt and challenge each other but this is much worse. We introduced them to each other yesterday and the 8week old is beating up the bottle baby. Thank you. I separated them. After a few hours, one of the mix’s ‘caps’ got knocked off and it’s bleeding alot. Other than taking her to the vet for an official diagnosis, the main thing you need to do is keep her somewhere that she feels safe and doesn’t have much space to run around. If you think the one is still not healthy, you can separate them again for a few more days, but eventually you will have to put them back together, and they will go through this to establish who is in charge. I have 4 month old male and female Lemancha/Nigerian dwarf mix goats. There was only a fence between so they could still see each other. We recently acquired a buck. It’s all about learning the herd dynamics. I have 2 does that are the same age. If it’s only been a couple of days, they can still work things out. We are afraid she is going to hurt him, will she hurt him? 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