Definitely not a dead-end career. Very interesting blog here. It was something I enjoyed doing, but over time it got boring. Over 12 years of working in a governmental organization, I as asked to apply for positions. Time is different now, that’s for sure. Be strong in your convictions early on and determine what kind of work-life balance you want to achieve. Thanks for your comment. One thing that struck me was that your job promoted you to your level of discomfort. Hopefully, my library will have your books. If I end up in one of the many, frequent layoffs that happen in the IT world, I’m never going back. In fact, I switched from Mechanical Engineering curriculum half way through to Civil Engineering because I was convinced Civil would be a more viable career in the long run. I hope you can share prob some of the regrets or internal struggle you may have to deal with since you retire; besides a drop in income. This is truly income for dummies. All the tiny little bits you have to configure exactly right to make those meaningless machines work drive me crazy. Very interesting to read. My wife makes a decent income to support this decision, and we are about to start a family so not bringing home this stress will be a big positive. I enjoy being a writer way more. We have zero debt. But I am taking some of your advice to meet with an adviser in my program to see what the best course of action is. Health care is the most solid hiring sectors in the economy and I suspect … the PA’s role is possibly the most important one long term. I think it was me that changed a lot over the years. Good luck! But I was after the money. I’d make him read this post and the comments, though. When a basketball player get injured and quit. Unlike established cross-flow membrane processes – RO, NF, UF, MF – the fluid to be filtered is fed perpendicularly to the filter element and all the fluid passes through the filter element with retained solids forming a cake layer on the element surface. I like engineering, I do have a passion for it, and I've always the seen the value of doing an engineering degree since a very young age. You have to make the most of your life! Relating to this is one of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite bloggers: “Getting a job and trading your time for money may seem like a good idea. Honestly, I love my work but I can already foresee what would it take in terms of mental stress as nature of the work is very demanding regardless of a company. Now that I have three kids, I struggle with 40 hours! Similarly, not all engineering employers are located in Silicon Valley or along the West Coast where the average cost of living pushes even a modest salary to near the poverty line. He was told this and given great reviews at his last company before they layoff a bunch of senior level folks as a cost-saving measure to prepare for selling the company, his boss didn’t even know about it until he saw him being lead out the door by security. Today, America's workforce is running scared. If software engineering is still seen as something that can be outsourced, it implies that it is still a blue-collar job. He asked me to write a detailed post on why I gave up my engineering career. Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Maximizing your pay from 21-35 is not a bad idea. The faster I get into management the better! You have a safety net – those rentals. Kids just have to be prepared to transition to something else. That made him ineligible for the year-end bonus because you have to be on the payroll through December 31. A sedentary job is the norm now. Many people left to find a different career too. It Would Take a Big Event for You to Get Promoted Right now I am so much more of a counselor at work than an engineering manager. I’ll garantee that you will have a much happier life with law and pharmacy. In the corporate world, if that person isn’t an executive, then he’s probably on the way out. I joined a prominent company, in my chosen field of ASIC Design Verification (I work on Memory subsystems which is just what I thought I wanted), start of 2018 and now by 2020, I am already feeling dead at my job. The manager indicated to me that he believed he made a mistake hiring me as he felt my experience level was inadequate for the workload and his expectations (he said he should’ve asked more detailed design questions in the interview. I think you can get into the management position pretty quick if you like that. Well, it would have worked in the 90s. But it seems they simply said FYS and founded a new conmpany like Shockley Labs-> Fairchild Semiconductor-> Intel There is a huge collection of video material in the Stanford libary featuring interviews with a lot of famous guys and company founders from the older times and most of them look super happy regarding their work. On the surface, it may appear that pharmacy is another adjunct health care field, kinda like the ‘pill dispensing’ version of a nurse but it isn’t. MC4H have you considered teaching accounting, while on maternity leave? Keep up with you contact in the previous job and you’ll be able to go back to it if needed, right? Bottom Line: There is not one thing I learned in college that has been superseded. I wish I did that. If you really want to get back into engineering, it might be best to get an MS or something like that. Or perhaps try a different career or start a business. My beef with all this STEM crap is that it resulted in TOO MANY ENGINEERS IN THE WORKFORCE. Good luck! The boss (president) is the quintessential workaholic-he lived at that place and demanded the same level of dedication from every employee; salaried employees were mandated to have at least 45 hours in every week (which could easily amount to 55). When people ask me what my job entails, I have a hard time synthesizing what I do on a daily basis into a cohesive answer. It’s so heartless. PA sounds like a good career too. This is truly income for dummies. Inept managers, overtly demanding obligations, and just the general bull shit laden corporate atmosphere probably kills the interest for all but the most hardcore geeks out there. And my company also moved 20 miles further away, adding to my commute time. Yes, it was really tough! Thank you for sharing your experience. One of my friends told me that one of the best managers he ever had , had been a therapist in a former career. I have been a stay at home dad and blogging. 1. Never felt better. Good luck! Thanks. I considered teaching on some level but decided I was more into healthcare. Ageism exists in the software industry (along with sexism, racism, xenophobia, brogrammer culture, and all of those other social goodies). Engineers are expendable. For a few years I had a couple crappy managers and I hated my job .. manager changed and job got better again. Actually, it’s a good thing that I’m not an engineer anymore. Stressed beyond measure and unable to disconnect when not at the office. I was pretty sure we’d be fine financially because I did the calculation. But it doesn’t work that way. Life is way better for me. I wonder if possible, could you shoot me a private email since I have something to consult with you. Whether your an engineer, supply chain, middle management, or even a corporate lawyer, they feel like they OWN you. Don’t stay in a situation that you don’t like. That’s what got me…). So glad to be out of there. You might need to move to California if you are looking for an engineering job. Hi, just discover your blog. That can be hard for some people, though. The ability to negotiate for a high salary, dissipated since those times. I am glad to read you still stand by your decision almost after 2 years??? Financial world vs the engineering world. I feel very much stressed as i don’t try to get promotions and it is impacting my health and career.My main interest is in naturapathy course or any other similar type of course in medical line.Please suggest can i change career in this field as i have done 12th in non medical and then i did BCA,MCA.Any scope in naturapathy course. It’s tough for the companies too. I’m not planning to get a job at this time. Engineers left because they wanted to be engineers, not managers. It might lose its luster at some point, but I’m enjoying it right now. Financial independence enabled me to become a stay-at-home dad and take care of our son when he was a baby. I feel rather stuck right now. Thanks for sharing your experience. We have been strong-arming kids into engineering based on their standardized scores and math grades for decades now. But engineers are notoriously bad business people (there are some exceptions as you can see in the ENR top firms) and enjoy the technical side much more. They want you to travel. Kudos to you for making it as long as you did! I’m not a senior engineer (about 6 years in), but I definitely can see what you are saying regarding individual contributers at the senior level having trouble staying in the field. Why engineers should plan for an early retirement. With my background I have a few questions I want to ask. The first 7-8 years at Intel was great for me. I have been working professionally for 20 years (this May 2015). The word “Retirement” means different things to different people. Therefore, just because Intel did you wrong does not mean you should give the notion of working for Corporate America the middle finger. But it's probably more competitive since our global economy has opened up the borders in the employment market. I totally understand your situation, I’m in a similar one (less stressful though). I think it’s great that you can handle both the technical and leadership aspect. My parents also had to spend sh*t load of money for my education, and I believe they even loaned money from the bank. I don’t think I will push my sons to take this career path either. The stress has become nearly unbearable. I am looking to get out of engineering and I will be another statistic of a female who reached the 5 uear milestone. Experienced people out here ,please do suggest some ideas how to get out of this loop. What changed? Thinking of changing my career, will happen soon I hope, feel like I lost so much time learning such demanding degree, and yet being paid like I have no education at all. Think about Bell Labs (a.k.a Lucent Technologies) prior to 1995, where they were dubbed the ‘best industrial R&D center outside of a being at a prestigious national lab’, and then a decade later … where 70% were right-sized by layouts and then, reorganized (plus added layoffs) by Alcatel. I’ll say this… I don’t know if engineering is the big problem, I think engineering is a cool occupation if you like the work and also (very important) when you are in the right environment. I have asked him to at least talk to his current manager and see if he can get back on track to what he was hired for, or at least a workload that is somewhat doable where he can feel like he is making some head-way. Employer skill set requirements have become increasingly ridiculous, often commanding mastery of embedded programming and hardware together (with their particular boutique of tools and architectures). It’s because some MBA clique pushed these guys around, stealing credit for other ppl’s work, and thus, formed a protection layer between technical leads and the executive suites. After being at the top of my game in software development, they had me manage the work for a team. Interesting that you lost interest in laptops. The good news is, I really like leading technical things, making presentations, planning, etc., so I hope I’m still able to enjoy my career for years to come! I’d say, stick with the trades for now, like being a license plumber or electrician. #21. rheidzan 390 replies 11 threads Member. (Not knowing culture and area/people is huge con, plus my husband is getting new better role in his current company)So I am having second thoughts on whether to even pursue this field further? I just accepted an offer at another company to work as a tier 3 support engineer at 72K. Yes, one and done. I guess you can work for the federal biology department or become a professor with an Oceanography degree. Check them out. Then, our family will be “retired” – unless I decide to reenter the workforce at that point, although hopefully it will be because I miss it, not because we didn’t plan well enough! This work environment was non-existent prior to 2009. I left the job too, and be exactly great-full to be with my kids. I wish I had the opportunities you did, I am currently a freshman in College and am pursuing a software engineering degree. I don’t think my job is super high stress, and my hours are typically very reasonable, but I do see that changing as people go up in the chain. Out of necessity, I’m trying to get back into the corporate scene. The blog post is titled “Top-10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job” and it is by Steve Pavlina, author of “Personal Development for Smart People”, http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/. I think you are going to be much happier now Joe. It’s time to do something else. Now, my wife just lost her latest job, and again, we are both unemployed. Usually, you take general classes in the freshman year anyway. Here I am reading this years later, but your words are SO on target and experiences so relate-able, having been forced out from the electronics industry myself awhile ago. (Although I’m scared that I might end up serving as a private and forget my engineering knowledge and English.). Younger engineers that grow in experience that are paid less are the more attractive outlay for any organisation. i think a lot has to do with big company culture. I’ve updated and expanded it to be more useful. The women engineers have it pretty tough when they have kids. Do you think I should continue studying engineering? A few jobs later I’m running projects that take 3-4 years to totally complete, my team is all over the world so all the interactions are over the phone and the responsibilities and expectations are increased. “the average person is done with Intel after about five”, Voluntary turnover rate at Intel is currently 2%. Helps to have plenty of FU money and be close to FI. Tyhe depend on me, cant let them down for just my fun of it. I’m really confused. Or be a section manager we’re only job is to make schedule for others.. Also not feeling adventurous to switch company as never know what’s there, what’s politics waiting.. hhaah So just thinking to stay this job for 5 more years so have some decent investment with dividend earning. I’m 32 in August and have a net worth that just breached 7 figures. Every boring meeting I attend I fantasize with retirement. I’ve only been there three months and it seemed like three years. 0 replies: How did dead pigs end up in Shanghai river? It becomes more challenging as the game progresses. I do like the place I am at now. Now, how can we keep you here?” “In a perfect world, what would you be doing in 10 years? It has both to do about purpose as well as bringing in some extra cash flow. You should save up as much money as you can for now and explore alternative careers. I ended up switching major and taking courses in sociology and family psychology and I am happier than I have ever been, both mentally and emotionally. After you get an engineering degree enroll to get a MBA as soon as you can. Long hours yes, but there was an energy, a life to that place that was amazing. If willing to move, there are oodles of defense jobs around Maryland and of course DC. “Well, you received such and such promotion and such and such raises.” Well, I never asked for them, you gave them to me! area both small and large. Hey, it’s Randy, the *Denny Downer* of engineering careers. The job was not a good fit for me anymore. I loved my job coding, debugging and fixing broken codes, re-designing and making enhancement to the product, but after the 4th company, I find it hard to land another job. Thanks for sharing. * The deterioration of wages due to outsourcing and H1-B workers. @FGA – Interesting, yet odd. Difference though : I miss my talents working for the rest fro the world. I worked for Computer Computer in Singapore from 1989 to 1993 as an Industrial Engineer. I know ppl working in all of the aforementioned places in a technical capacity and none of them complain about stress and constant free (but expected) overtime. That’s the problem with big companies. Prior to that, I only have watched shows on TV. I did this and also received some credits for being a Teaching Assistant. I almost think I should just find something outside of engineering for my first job and veer into something else for a career where I could utilize my engineering skills but in a different way. I hit the 5yr mark as a chemE, but couldn’t take it. Out of 180 EE’s, not many American born engineers graduated with a higher GPA. i’m not an engineer but a chemist (only BS level). Hey, I’m a senior in HS debating what major to pick. Life is too short to be stressed out all the time. It was time for me to move on anyway. At some point, there has to be acknowledgement that work is either a means to an end, or the end itself. I think engineering is still a great field. I have been reading your blog for a while. LOL) because I am not spending enough time with them anymore. One of my college roommates was the smartest kid at his high school and he really struggled in college. Unfortunately I do not know what that career would be. When I wasn’t in front of a monitor, I was attending useless meetings. Life is short….. it only becomes more evident every passing year. I started working in the Marine Engineering industry and the company actually had exactly what I wanted; extensive on-the-job hands on technical training. I’ve seen some of what you’re talking about though, with the expectations changing as engineers get more senior. I was glad I found a way how I can work online and earn enough while at home. Even so-called ‘sales’ requires a pre-existing CO-OP nowadays. Every time I start at a new job I ask myself: am in for another display of the ugliness of human nature? US Bureau of Labor and Statistics shows a DOWNWARD trend in the industry for salaries….I know because Joe’s field was my first choice when going into engineering and did some researching for it. You already had one scary episode and you don’t want to repeat that. But when they were handing out vsp, I guess that was a wake up call that I was expendable. A recent survey by the American Society for Engineering Education reports a 3.4% increase in engineering degrees from 2001 to 2002. Were all those careers successful? You can travel, have fun with friends, and do things to lessen the stress. Even if you don’t want to leave yet, it’s a good to have that option. You won’t regret giving it a shot. 2. The workload was pretty crazy and young engineers routinely worked 50-60 hours per week. A lot of jobs are going oversea. Hourly, that comes out to a $19.23 wage. That’s hard, though. 3. I was told a larger company would be easier to work for but based on the forum, I am not sure. I think I would hate a job like that. I used to enjoy breakdowns but at this stage problem solving no longer pique my attention because I have experienced enough breakdowns and there’s only so much that can go wrong. Or maybe I'm just lucky as hell. Now I’m 4 years out of employment, perhaps 10 years out of any real technical work. Now, you have to be flexible and look out for number 1. system. We all know those people and they are not fun. I don’t think your experience is all too uncommon. That causes major disruption in the departments. Aviation is sinking in general, and the in the engineering there is no ‘middle.’ Everyone is 25+ year career or an intern/entry level. I’ve only recently found out the reason for not getting any jobs was that my former employer was bad-mouthing me so I couldn’t get a job elsewhere. Now even these core areas are starting to go oversea. Have you never considered that it might be better to be paid even when you’re not working? That’s too bad. Interesting insight, thanks for sharing! I’m pretty sure there’s something which could match your background. “I struggle on how to advise my 16 year old getting to prepare for the working world”. I can see similar trend in my engineering career. It’s stupid! Good blog. Almost nobody under 40 was laid off. However, soon the working relationships became … disheartening. So anyways, I’ve been looking at a total career change, possibly a blue collar job. I enjoyed solving technical problems and didn’t have to worry about any of the corporate politics. I’m making low 6 figures and have plenty of reasons to enjoy the work and opportunities I’ve been given. what is a suggested asset allocation (you mention dividends, any examples of companies you currently invest in) and what amount do you think is enough for retirement at 40? I can especially relate to your last statement “but i won’t work in IT ever again”, boy can I absolutely agree with that! So hardly did it save a meaningful amount of money compared to the damage to morale. Hi, I initially wanted to be a psychologist but my parents refused to let me pursue that “scam” career especially with my super high maths and science grades so off I went and studied engineering. My technical skills are outdated now. I just read this article and I agree with Joe here. It’s just too hard to let go. At least you figure it out relatively early and you’re proactively trying to get out. Intel is a huge company. Working part time is a great way to have the best of both worlds. He had my manager at that point… My friend was transferring to a different group/program, and he’d also have a new manger. I’m not quite senior since I don’t feel like I’m the sharpest tool in the box. I think only engineers will understand the stresses that comes with our work and keeping up with the technology, the problem with being a single contributor and the expectations as you become a senior engineer. I’ve always been available to do more but asking for extra work usually falls on deaf ears. Many engineers believe this leaves degreed engineers with no status. Engineers are the ants, always working and doing the stuff, at least 10 hours daily. It was a perfect storm for bigotry and racism. I think that is good advice for any career since you won’t be the same person at 40 that you are at 25. Everyone who is thinking about quitting their job should read Financial Samurai’s book: How to engineer your layoff. Both careers go hand in hand and while someone may be better suited for one, but not the other, the baby can’t be thrown out with the bath water. You can be an engineer for 10-15 years and evaluate your position again. You’ll get a big pay cut though. The terms meaningful work or fair work for a fair wage no longer exist. I left my previous employer (listed on Fortune 100 Best Companies to Work For too no less) partly because I tired of the corporate drama… makes you wonder what it is like for companies not on the Fortune list. The increase in difficulty between high school and the university was too much for lots of people. It is sad when companies lose valuable people because they don’t recognize what makes that person so special at their jobs to begin with. You don’t have to be an engineer for 40 years. You felt obligated. You will now notice some new faces, as you will have a new manager installed between you and your current manager, the negative changes to your benefits package, stagnant wage, even more meetings and reports to make sure your doing your job, as if the last reports and meetings weren’t enough to justify your position. What do people do after they retire from these careers? I admire what you are doing, i hope one day hubby and I can get there too! Yeap. I graduated from computer science master’s program, with 3.9 GPA, but landed a mediocre engineering job, and I cannot even like my career. In short, if anyone offered me $10 million to go work as an engineer (or any other corporate job) for one year, I wouldn’t consider it even for a nanosecond. “It seems like an easy thing for a computer to do”. Just curious. Stay out of aerospace. If you invest 6 more years into engineering, then you will really feel obligated to be an engineer for a long time. Ask around and interview people to know what it’s like to work in a different industry. 2. 8 years after I left engineering, I came back in. Needless to say, my background has helped – out mechanical engineer built an automated test fixture, and I wrote a windows based program in C# – I had one of our software engineers help me set up the IDE, but after that I went to town. My wife does not work. You can also see if you can get into an assistance position for one of the senior manager. At the moment, everyone I know who has an EE job is worried. 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